Friday, December 30, 2005

Post 9/11 Saudi Arabia

part-3-

The one-dollar question: What does WTC, the pentagon, and Saudi Arabia have in common?


When 19 men hijacked four planes, kidnapped hundreds of passengers, and flied them straight into two carefully chosen American targets on 9/11/2001, they were oblivious of the role they were playing in another hijack situation taking place on the other side of the world. 10521 kilometers due east, in a desert land called Saudi Arabia, to be more precise.

You see, Saudi Arabia, the uneventful land of tents and sand, the land of the prophet of “all times/peoples/faiths to come”, the land united with the first Islamic nation in “almadina almonawara” in mind which reserved and defended the rights of even the Jews of almadina, this land has been kidnapped from us -moderate Saudi Muslims - for the last thirty+ years by none other than the -by now infamous- Muslim extremists.

Saudi Arabia’s hijackers, just like the previously mentioned hijackers, presumed total control of every aspect of our lives. They had the first and final say in every aspect one can or cannot imagine. They self-appointed their ignorant elders as our academic consultants, foreign affairs experts, fashion stylists, economic advisors, strategic planning guides, marketing gurus, and even cultural & media connoisseurs. And, like the 9/11 kidnappers, those extremists were heading, not four hundred humans, but rather twenty-two million humans, and a whole nation of great human and geographic wealth to a pre-determined destiny they had pre-planned for us. Our demise.

But, you may ask, what role did the 9/11 hijackers play in the “hijack of Saudi” situation!……. let’s just say that on 9/11 our highjackers masterpieced their own downfall by messing up with the wrong crowd.
……luckily for us, moderate Saudi muslims.

Posted by SaudiEve at 3:38 AM

22 Comments

  1. Blogger raf* posted at 4:00 AM, December 30, 2005  
    dear eve,

    i thought they'd hijacked society since, errr, 250 years ...

    so you're saying the "moderate saudis" are actually going to strike back & throw off the yoke of the ultra-traditionalists?

    if so - can i watch?

    in full support,

    --raf*
  2. Anonymous Anonymous posted at 1:19 AM, December 31, 2005  
    Hi lady,
    I think you said something very interesting, yet you concluded your very thoughtful message by liking moderate or normal Muslims to Americanized people.
    And I quote
    "Let’s just say that on 9/11 our highjackers masterpieced their own downfall by messing up with the wrong crowd.
    ……luckily for us, moderate Saudi muslims".

    Here is what I have to say to you:
    1- I am a normal Muslim yet I don’t think that Americans and their life style represent the better part of this world, maybe the bullies, but for sure not the better.

    2- I hardly think that normal Saudies would welcome an Americanized Saudi Arabia, but rather a Saudi Arabia with its own individuality.
    I.e. a Saudi Arabia to be Proud of… for once.

    3- We all agree our current situation Bogus.

    Have fun... Ghost writer
  3. Blogger ordinary girl posted at 4:50 PM, December 31, 2005  
    Being a moderate in such a society is nearly impossible!!! Meaning you have to fight for such a normal right!!!
    Moreover, I do not believe that the Americans are the chosen one to free us!! They are using such an excuse to invade us with their thoughts and ideas while we do have a mind of our own and we have the ability to choose what is suitable for our people and our country.
    WE ARE WILLING TO FIGHT OUR OWN BATTLE.
  4. Blogger raf* posted at 6:02 PM, December 31, 2005  
    dear og,

    nobody is putting a gun to your head and is forcing you to watch u.s. tv, read u.s. books & magazines ...

    so - where do they "invade us with their thoughts and ideas"?

    you have a mind of your own - you can decide what you let in there, right?

    and as for "WE ARE WILLING TO FIGHT OUR OWN BATTLE" - when? where? i haven't seen any of that yet. do send me an e-mail when it happens.

    --raf*
  5. Blogger EMARAT JABAL SHAMMAR posted at 9:16 PM, December 31, 2005  
    WHEN WE ARE READY WE WILL FIGHT OUR OWN BATTLE. WE DO NOT NEED THE USA TO FREE US FROM THE SO CALLED ''EVIL'' WE ARE IN. BUT WE ESPECIALLY DO NOT NEED THE LIKES OF YOU TO WATCH US. WHY THE FUCK IS IT ANY OF YOUR CONCERN ANYWAY. JUST GO MIND YOUR OWN LEVANTINE BUSINESS AND KEEP POSTING PICTURES OF FREAKS DOING ASHURA ON YOUR BLOG.

    HRH KING AL RASHID.
  6. Blogger ordinary girl posted at 3:12 AM, January 01, 2006  
    Raf.. Lots of people are trying their best!!! and it would be a step forward when we become optimistics and hope for the better!!
  7. Blogger raf* posted at 5:39 AM, January 01, 2006  
    dear og,

    i am optimistic & i do hope for the better.

    maybe it's because the flow of information from saudi-arabia to the outside is so scant that i (& many others) simply don't see that people inside the country are fighting.

    most likely there is so much happening inside that we on the outside just never hear/read about.

    and i'd be very curious to hear about it.

    still - i find the whole "american cultural invasion" argument to be very problematic. it's really hard to invade someone else's culture against their will.

    --raf*
  8. Blogger Dotsson posted at 3:17 PM, January 01, 2006  
    Raf I'm going to say this in a language you will understand: FUCK OFF!
    You're just another one of those Arabs that is jealous of Saudi Arabia. It hurts you to see the Saudi's with all the money and power. It hurts you that 'big brother' is calling all the shots in the region and ya'll aren't getting any attention except for the occasional CNN report on politicial assassinations.
    Stop your whining, the Saudi's aren't going anywhere and things are going to stay how they are cause that is just the way it is!!!
    Take Emarat Jabal Shammar's advice and continue posting pictures of freaks doing ashura but go a step further and stab that knife an extra inch into your body!!!
  9. Blogger raf* posted at 5:18 PM, January 01, 2006  
    emarat jabal shammar & dotsson,

    this is not your blog. should eve ever ask me to not comment on her blog anymore i'll stop.

    should anyone of you two ever engage me in a conversation that does not start with "you're shit", "fuck off", or something like that, i'll respond.

    --raf*
  10. Blogger Dotsson posted at 5:51 PM, January 01, 2006  
    Will you respond if we start with "Go fuck yourself"?
  11. Blogger ordinary girl posted at 2:24 AM, January 02, 2006  
    seriuosly guys, you need to chill!!!
  12. Blogger EMARAT JABAL SHAMMAR posted at 12:57 PM, January 02, 2006  
    HELLO EVE.

    HOW ARE YOU? YOU LOOK GREAT BY THE WAY. YOU LOOK LIKE YOU BELONG ON THE THRONE WITH ME.

    HRH KING AL RASHID AND HIS QUEEN EVE.
  13. Anonymous Anonymous posted at 12:28 PM, June 18, 2006  
    Posted by Raf*:

    "maybe it's because the flow of information from saudi-arabia to the outside is so scant that i (& many others) simply don't see that people inside the country are fighting.

    most likely there is so much happening inside that we on the outside just never hear/read about.

    and i'd be very curious to hear about it."

    I agree with what Raf* says, and consider myself one of these people. Clearly there are people in the kingdom who want to keep others isolated and away from contact with other thinking people in the world. When people's power status gets threatened, they have a hard time letting go, even for the benefit of humanity. Why they would rather wreak misery and destruction upon society as they themselves sit high and mighty is stupidity in action, arrogance at its height, and ignorance to the nth degree.

    This is of great concern and people of the world SHOULD be concerned. America might not be the savior of freedom, and I don't think it is, but the flow of information and ideas from one human being to another helps in going free. Things you hadn't thought of might reach you, and vice versa...useful things, things that mean something to being a real human being. As long as the role of a woman is DICTATED by a man, NEITHER ONE is free. It's not that men and women can't share with each other their views and feelings about what it means to live. Actually, I think that women have a lot more good ideas about how to be a man than a man has about how to be a woman. One of the worst things I can think of to do in your life is to turn away from someone's suffering thinking that it's none of your business. Yeah, sure, just walk away and go live...now there's a purpose. We are interdependent beings: what affects one affects us all, whether or not we choose to see it.
  14. Anonymous Anonymous posted at 1:30 PM, June 18, 2006  
    Hi Saudi Eve, and thank you for your beautiful and relevant blogging!

    Posted by Raf*:

    "still - i find the whole "american cultural invasion" argument to be very problematic. it's really hard to invade someone else's culture against their will."

    You know, I think this kind of a double-sided issue. One the one hand, people have choices as to how they respond to what comes their way.

    On the other hand, if you consider the source here, America...when it was created, it was at the expense of the entire nation of Native Americans and their ways of life, practices, beliefs, land, and culture. (and at the expense of the millions of Africans who were turned into slaves that were exported to the country) Millions upon millions of people have been slaughtered since the first white man came to the continent. This was all against their will.

    There have been ongoing sanctioned slayings of Native Americans by government officials and hired assassins all the way up to the present day, and Native American political prisoners still sit in US jails today. The Native Americans who refuse to assimilate into white/"American cultural" society are placed on reservations and have to fight tooth and nail every day just to live A TINY BIT like how they want to according to their cultures, traditions, practices, and ancestry. OK? This is right now in America. The Native Americans lived for thousands of years in peace, in harmony with the land and all of the living beings, and believed in one G-D, prayer being an integral part of everyday life. Most of what they had before the white man came is gone, although there is currently some reviving going on. Their culture though, WAS invaded against their will.... and by the people whose great-grandsons and great-granddaughters are over there in your region knocking on your door right now.

    So you face tyrannical fanatacistical totalitarianistic monarchy rule, or corporate amalgamated trans-national superstate wasteland loss of soul zoo. This is a choice? It's like someone saying to you "we're going to put you in jail, pick the one with the bars or the one with the gates."

    One of the blessings of communication is that it enables us through sharing to see choices that we for whatever reason did not see before.

    Thank you again Saudi Eve, for your blog and bravery!
  15. Anonymous Anonymous posted at 10:08 PM, June 19, 2006  
    Native Americans are not confined to reservations. They can leave at any time, its thier choice. I my self am part Cherokee. I live and work in a city.
    Any native American who is imprisioned has been convicted of a crime.
  16. Anonymous Anonymous posted at 10:18 PM, June 19, 2006  
    I would say further that Native Americans did not"live in peace and harmony with all other creatures" they were constantly at war with each other. The Lakota, A large plains tribe, was forced out of the eastern forests by other tribes who wanted thier land.
    If you are going to comment on our history I suggest you study it further.
  17. Anonymous Anonymous posted at 1:44 AM, June 20, 2006  
    I am an American and I find it fascinating to see how diversified everyone's point of view is on this subject of the "American Culture Invasion." Since I am an American, I have never really taken notice of this cultural invasion before. However, I am sure with globalization and with the much of the wealth distributed among western nations that many middle east nations are barraged with western influences much more than the West is barraged with middle eastern influences...Even while some of these governments are attempting to limit those influences.
  18. Anonymous Anonymous posted at 2:37 PM, June 21, 2006  
    ANONYMOUS CHEROKEE:

    I said,

    "The Native Americans who refuse to assimilate into white/"American cultural" society are placed on reservations and have to fight tooth and nail every day just to live A TINY BIT like how they want to according to their cultures, traditions, practices, and ancestry."


    YOU RESPONDED:

    "Native Americans are not confined to reservations. They can leave at any time, its thier choice. I my self am part Cherokee. I live and work in a city."

    I restate:

    Native Americans who REFUSE TO ASSIMILATE---REFUSE TO ASSIMILATE--- INTO WHITE "AMERICAN CULTURAL" SOCIETY have no other recourse but to live on a reservation in order to live and/or practice the Indian ways. I should have said they have more this either/or option and not that they are placed. Some go back and forth between the two...but I did not say that they cannot leave. But that was not always so. Or did you forget so quickly? For those who are not familiar with Native American history, like most of the readers here, I imagine, including the person whose blog this is being from another country, do NOT know that during the western annexing of the continent by the white man and his armies, MANY Native Americans WERE in fact PLACED on reservations against their will and kept there. It was either that or be destroyed, and as a Native American, I would expect that you would know that and not see life and history in such a short-sighted way. This reservation- creating and placing Native Americans on them, and hunting for Native Americans to destroy or put them on these reservations--- by the US government and their white armies--- was happening as near as two lifetimes ago, so it's not like it's "ancient history". But you know that already, apple.

    Just as a sidenote, every single treaty ever made between the Indian nations and the US government all throughout history has been broken by the US government. This is why I point out the suspect nature of the American government's policies regarding people of other cultures and how the "cultural influencing" of the 21st century in other nations might very well be a ruse to expand their power, NOT to enlighten the so-called "lost" individuals elsewhere. The tendency to break or alter their word to fit their own interests and schemes is an established pattern of behavior, I imagine this is not commonly known in the rest of the world (as it relates to American history and the creation and development of the country) because if you study American history, the history of the American Indian is conspicuously absent from the textbooks. I remember learning about Custer like he was a hero (butcher) and that Sitting Bull and Geronimo and Crazy Horse were "savages" that were getting in the way of "progress" or "interests" ?? TELL ME, ANONYMOUS CHEROKEE, HAS THE HYPE CHANGED? How many other peoples around the world, middle eastern peoples especially, are facing the same hype right now? With the same or similar disastrous consequences?

    YOU SAID:

    Any native American who is imprisioned has been convicted of a crime.

    And did they commit the crime they are convicted of? Leonard Peltier? Do you want to talk about the wrongly imprisoned, the Native Americans who WERE trying to live in the Indian way or bring about change in that direction and were falsely accused of crimes they did not commit and thrown in federal prison with huge sentences levied against them and are sitting there now in those fuckin cells? Speaking of what can happen in America when a Native American wants to live in the Indian way, and is getting other Indians to come back to the old ways...glad you mentioned it. Now the other readers can know that Native Americans are actually in PRISON with bogus charges and crooked convictions and planted evidence and made-up stories pointing at a guilt that is not theirs. Not just on reservations in exile from the buffalo and the salmon. Another civil rights issue that people need to know about, especially in our land of the free home of the brave, kola.


    I ALSO SAID:

    The Native Americans lived for thousands of years in peace, in harmony with the land and all of the living beings, and believed in one G-D, prayer being an integral part of everyday life. Most of what they had before the white man came is gone, although there is currently some reviving going on. Their culture though, WAS invaded against their will....


    AND YOU RESPONDED:

    I would say further that Native Americans did not"live in peace and harmony with all other creatures" they were constantly at war with each other. The Lakota, A large plains tribe, was forced out of the eastern forests by other tribes who wanted thier land.
    If you are going to comment on our history I suggest you study it further.

    Uh, from the studying I apparently have not done, each nation, no matter whether they were enemies of another or not, shared the basic understanding that human beings are but one strand in the web of existence, one part in the harmonic flux of the entire planet. The earth is a benevolent, sentient, living CREATURE on whom we rely so much upon, and she cares for each of us as her own children. And each nation, no matter what their relationships were/are to each other, held in deepest respect EVERY OTHER LIVING CREATURE on the earth. For each was/is considered "wakan" (holy---part of Wakan Tanka, or The Great Spirit/Great Mystery that is All and is One together). From the tiniest ant to the tallest tree, each was/is considered alive, conscious, communicating, and a brother or sister in creation. When food was taken, like in a hunt, prayers were spoken and the animal was apologized to and thanked for providing themselves for sustenance. Regardless of the times when certain nations were fighting, they ALL shared in this harmony and the understanding of themselves and all living things as a part of a collective and living whole, a harmony and a planetary health that is now teetering on the brink of being annhilated forever.

    In the present, as we near catastrophic environmental, social, and cultural breakdown (the number of spoken languages in the world has dropped 50% since 1900---half are gone), groups of indigenous peoples from around the globe have come and are coming together and making it known publicly that there still exists the knowledge among their peoples that can help bring humanity back into eco-balance with the planet and how to maintain ways of life that are much farther away from the destructive tendencies and uniplaning of the human experience that most of the rest of us have been weaned on, if listened to.

    In 1992, on International Human Rights Day, a group of Native and indigenous peoples representing some 300,000,000 on 5 continents addressed the United Nations with much to say...20 Native leaders spoke and the assembly also included the "Statement of Indigenous Nations, Peoples, and Organizations" regarding the self-determination and sovereignty of indigenous peoples. There was also a "Draft Declaration As Agreed Upon by the Members of the Working Group at its Eleventh Session", the United Nations Draft Declaration of Indigenous Peoples Rights. I cannot comment as to the state of this draft as of the present.

    The convening of the assembly began with a prayer to the Creator.

    The first Native leader to speak was Oren Lyons, a chief of the Onandaga Confederacy and a spokesman for the HAUDENOSAUNEE, also called the Iroquois Confederacy. The Iroquois Confederacy is also known as the Six Nations, and it's members are: the Onandaga, the Mohawk, the Seneca, the Cayuga, the Oneida, and the Tuscarora. It has the distinction of having the world's oldest continuously functioning democratic government, though at present it is under attack by the United States and the State of New York, which are attempting to undermine the sovereignty of the Condeferacy and reduce the influence of the Grand Council of Chiefs.

    Chief Oren Lyons said, among many other things:

    "....This proclamation brings hope, inspiration, and a renewed sense of dedication to our quest for self-determination, justice, freedom, and peace in our homelands and our territories. Indeed, the quest is a renewal of what we enjoyed before the coming of our white brothers from across the sea. We lived contentedly under the GAYANESHAKGOWA, the Great Law of Peace. We were instructed to create societies based upon the principles of peace, equity, justice, and the power of the 'good mind.'

    Our societies are based upon great democratic principles of authority in the people and of equal responsibilities for the men and the women. This was a great way of life across this great Turtle Island (also called North America); and freedom, with respect, was everywhere. Our leaders were instructed to be men with vision and to make every decision on behalf of the seventh generation to come, to have compassion and love for those generations yet unborn. We were instructed to give thanks for all that sustains us. Thus we created great ceremonies of thanksgiving for the life-giving forces of the natural world---with the understanding that as long as we carried out our ceremonies, life would continue.

    We were told that the seed is the Law. Indeed, it is the Law of Life. It is the Law of Regeneration. Within the seed is the mysterious and spiritual force of life and creation. Our mothers nurture and guard that seed, and we respect and love them for that, just as we love ETENOHA, Mother Earth, for the same spiritual work and mystery.

    We were instructed to be generous and to share equally with our brothers and sisters, so that all may be content. We were instructed to respect and love our elders, to serve them in their declining years, to cherish one another. We were instructed to love our children----indeed to love all children."

    19 other Native leaders spoke, as well as Rigoberta Menchu---1992 Nobel Prize winner, and Boutros Boutros-Ghali, the then-Secretary General of the United Nations.


    Although certain tribes were in fact at certain times in history bitter enemies, like the Lakota and the Crow, there were many Indian nations that were not enemies, so it's not like you say "they were constantly at war with each other". The Great Binding Law of the Iroquois was about key Indian nations and how they were to get along and actually the structure of the American constitution is derived from this. And "war" Native American style is a lot different than the war we see today. Counting coup is not the same as rolling out tanks and slaughtering the masses and destroying the environment.

    And the Lakota, being forced west, became a nomadic tribe and that's part of how the deep brotherhood and intimate relationship was formed with the buffalo. And thus, how to pray with the peace pipe, the making of the red pipestone quarry from the blood of the Lakota ancestors (which is actually protected by law now and Lakota Sioux can go there and mine the stone for use in making peace pipes without "official" interference...it's in Minnesota), the coming of the Buffalo Calf Woman and the giving of the sacred pipe, which still exists, the coming of the Sun Dance, the coming of the Ghost Dance, becoming a horse tribe....and much much more. Being driven from the eastern forest had a profound and hugely significant impact on the entire Indian nation as well as on the Sioux themselves, so I think that to portray that as an example of "how Indian nations didn't get along" is inaccurate and incomplete.

    So, ANONYMOUS CHEROKEE, do you want to tell what happens to Native Americans who play hooky? Or Native families who want to raise their children in the Indian way? The boarding schools? (of ONE GENERATION AGO)
  19. Anonymous Anonymous posted at 1:01 AM, June 23, 2006  
    Saudi Eve,

    I apologize for the length of the above response on your blog. On the subject of "cultural invasion", I just was pointing out the America has been doing that ever since it was created.

    And since there is this violent injustice going on right now in the US, thinking that the country is the beacon of freedom isn't exactly on the mark.

    I wanted to include the bit about Native Americans and how men and women related to one another in their culture and history because it seems very balanced and harmonious and I thought you might like to see about it, as someone who is expressing herself outside of the given parameters and speaking out for women's rights.

    Again, sorry for the length...
  20. Anonymous Anonymous posted at 6:32 AM, June 24, 2006  
    Nice cut and paste. Unfortunatly Not True. Leonard Peltier is a murderer. As a murdering criminal he is imprisoned.
    The Iroquois Confederation was a war like entity that actually exterminated several tribes to the last man. Also fought the Huron Confederacy, which was responsible for the extermination of several tribes to the last man. You pick and choose who you think is in the right with no real knowledge except your brain washed self.
    Try to think for your self and forget what the imams have told you . It is all lies.
  21. Anonymous Anonymous posted at 6:51 AM, June 24, 2006  
    The USA is a beacon of freedom. What violent injustice is going on here in the USA? Name some examples. The United States has one of the most free socities in the world. ANYONE can go to college, women can work, they can drive a car, they can vote. They dont have to cover thier faces. Wafa Sultan was right. You are stuck in the 16 century.
    There are boarding schools but only the rich can attend. It cost a lot.
    This is my last post to you, because you are so brainwashed you cant be convinced of the truth.
    Native Americans are not persecuted. I myself am a Native American. I own my own house I have my own business, and I don't live on a reservation. Try to learn the truth.It will set you free.
  22. Blogger Tiokasin posted at 3:57 AM, September 08, 2007  
    Obviously you are an American not an Indigenous one. You have sold your soul for comfort. USA is an inside job.
    Frenemy

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